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Gun Pierson · Jan 06, 2010, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Funny how people whine about overpowered crap, but they only target farming spells.

Soul reaping is still overpowered and is the basis for Sabway and all its variants, team builds that degenerate the mind. It's 'godmode' on team level. PvE only skills like SY!, cons etc.

Upcoming nerfs have nothing to do with balance, but with ingame wealth and jealousy.

Mcsnake85 · Jan 06, 2010, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Originally Posted by Jk)Phoenix

D2 is a lot different from GW, played it for 4 years and GW for almost 5...
they are totally different, both cool but totally different.

I played D1,D2,Sacred 1 & 2, GW, Mu fight and Zyper MU, Lineage 2 and others RPG...I confirm all i said, first time i see NERF/BUFF system in PVE <<<.
I agree those things in PvP to balance fights , i agree that weapons have all same stats and only skin change...but not agree that you need heros to fight a group of mobs with your same lvl..Im playing GW for 1 year, and all that i saw in this year is a ongoing updates of skills..
I cant say that is a bad game because im playing it, i like it, but every time they update someting in bad or good i think "Why they doing this?", what the sense??All people speak about perma, who care about perma btw why change skills and nerf them?and why for PVE???Who care if you can kill an aatxe with a shot (NM)??Its different for PvP, because in PVP you face Human, a player like you, if you are overpowered the fight can be "not loyal" , but mobs?Who care of mobs?

Mcsnake85 · Jan 06, 2010, 11:58 AM // 11:58

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Funny how people whine about overpowered crap, but they only target farming spells.

Soul reaping is still overpowered and is the basis for Sabway and all its variants, team builds that degenerate the mind. It's 'godmode' on team level. PvE only skills like SY!, cons etc.

Upcoming nerfs have nothing to do with balance, but with ingame wealth and jealousy.

I just saying that in GW you cant kill a group of mobs alone, you force to cooperate..in other games no, you can face them....In d2 too "godmode" not exist, but a lv 60 char can face all mobs in NM without problem, maybe just hard on 4th act..but with a little strategy you can still made it.
jealousy for what?A sword with better skin but same stats?(Ps i have all i need so...) or a spear with better skin?(oh..look my avatar)..
In d2 there was Jealosy,because each weapon was different from each other, there yes...i was jealous when ppl with better equip fight with me and they was able to deal triple of my damage..not GW case sorry.

Tenebrae · Jan 06, 2010, 12:04 PM // 12:04

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Funny how people whine about overpowered crap, but they only target farming spells.

36 pages , about 324 threads about SF and you still dont get it , unbelievable.

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Soul reaping is still overpowered and is the basis for Sabway and all its variants, team builds that degenerate the mind. It's 'godmode' on team level. PvE only skills like SY!, cons etc.

#4 Non Valid reason to defend SF on the famous Tenebrae´s "WTF is this guy thinking" list :
- "SF should stay this way because there are X things that are also Broken/Bad designed"

No .... just no.

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Upcoming nerfs have nothing to do with balance, but with ingame wealth and jealousy.

"Your sentence has nothing to do with this balance thread, is only full of rage and QQ abouf SF rework" <- That is what you get if you look in the mirror.

Seriously , Anet said that this rework is happening , you can stay in denial step , QQ about it or accept it and see what happens next but please dont write same stuff over and over and over again.

some guy · Jan 06, 2010, 12:33 PM // 12:33

So omegaspike is going finaly?

I want to see the new gvg meta for a change

Gun Pierson · Jan 06, 2010, 12:48 PM // 12:48

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

36 pages , about 324 threads about SF and you still dont get it , unbelievable.

#4 Non Valid reason to defend SF on the famous Tenebrae´s "WTF is this guy thinking" list :
- "SF should stay this way because there are X things that are also Broken/Bad designed"

No .... just no.

"Your sentence has nothing to do with this balance thread, is only full of rage and QQ abouf SF rework" <- That is what you get if you look in the mirror.

Seriously , Anet said that this rework is happening , you can stay in denial step , QQ about it or accept it and see what happens next but please dont write same stuff over and over and over again.

I don't use SF, that's how much you know about me. Take your own advice and start looking at the man in the mirror.

You're the one in denial, by thinking SF is broken and that Anet didn't intend it that way. Quotes from Anet on previous pages prooved you wrong. Speed clears were the real problem. They just give in to whiners like you (who then come complain about QQ, oh the irony) who step by step take away my fun gaming experience in PvE.

Over the years, (solo) farming has become less and less fun. And that's a shame, especially in a game that's 5 years old and where rewards suck. That's my message, because really I don't need to QQ about it, deny or accept it because I already have full hall + gwamm and my character is rdy for GW2.

I'm ready for the nerf, bring it on, adapting is no prob, but I'm almost certain that the fun factor of farming will be decreased again.

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Originally Posted by Mcsnake85

jealousy for what?A sword with better skin but same stats?(Ps i have all i need so...) or a spear with better skin?(oh..look my avatar)..

First of, the post you quoted from me was not targetted at your comment about Diablo.

By jealousy in GW, I mean E-peen in PvE, yes it does exist. Sure you don't care about for example that sword, but part of the playerbase is involved in high end stuff and ectos etc.

Tenebrae · Jan 06, 2010, 12:59 PM // 12:59

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

I don't use SF, that's how much you know about me. Take your own advice and start looking at the man in the mirror.

I never said you use it , instead looking at the mirror , try to understand what i wrote. I DO use it.

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

You're the one in denial, by thinking SF is broken and that Anet didn't intend it that way. Quotes from Anet on previous pages prooved you wrong.

False ,false And False . Woah 3 false statements in a row :
1- Im waiting for the rework
2- SF is broken , the fact that Anet let SF be mantainable without really thinking about the consecuences doesnt mean the DID know them.
3- Stop making false assumptions because if they did knew , its pretty obvious that they wont be reworking it right now.

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Speed clears were the real problem. They just give in to whiners like you (who then come complain about QQ, oh the irony) who step by step take away my fun gaming experience in PvE.

You call me whiner with tears in your eyes lol. How does SF rework and its effects on SCs affect you IF YOU DONT use SF as you said before ? .... oh yeah , you are always the non sin in those groups right ? .... lmao. Dont worry , you can still do those areas then.

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Over the years, (solo) farming has become less and less fun. And that's a shame, especially in a game that's 5 years old and where rewards suck.

Oh yeah, back again to #4 reason to defend SF , "rewards / bla bla are broken/bad designed so SF should stay this way".

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

I'm ready for the nerf, bring it on, adapting is no prob, but I'm almost certain that the fun factor of farming will be decreased again.

Sure , you dont use SF , it doesnt affect you at all , rework wont affect your gameplay ( or lack of it ) but you still QQ about ppl that agrees with a SF rework ..... and thats not pure and nonsense rage against that kind of ppl ? right buddy. GL

Gun Pierson · Jan 06, 2010, 01:19 PM // 13:19

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

I never said you use it , instead looking at the mirror , try to understand what i wrote. I DO use it.

False ,false And False . Woah 3 false statements in a row :
1- Im waiting for the rework
2- SF is broken , the fact that Anet let SF be mantainable without really knowing the consecuences doesnt mean the DID know them.
3- Stop making false assumptions because if they did knew , its pretty obvious that they wont be reworking it right now.

You call me whiner with tears in your eyes lol. How does SF rework and its effects on SCs affect you IF YOU DONT use SF as you said before ? .... oh yeah , you are always the non sin in those groups right ? .... lmao. Dont worry , you can still do those areas then.

Oh yeah, back again to #4 reason to defend SF , "rewards / bla bla are broken/bad designed so SF should stay this way".

Sure , you dont use SF , it doesnt affect you at all , rework wont affect your gameplay ( or lack of it ) but you still QQ about ppl that agrees with a SF rework ..... and thats not pure and nonsense rage against that kind of ppl ? right buddy. GL

Rage some more buddy? You already have what you want lol, an upcoming nerf.

And on the contrary to all that crap you post there, I don't have a sin. I'm a monk and I often play as 600 with my friends just for the sport of it as part of endgame content. Give me a PM and you can come with me as smite support if you want, no matter what class you are and we'll farm some ectos in UW for fun.

Tenebrae · Jan 06, 2010, 02:21 PM // 14:21

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Rage some more buddy? You already have what you want lol, an upcoming nerf.

Oh i see whats your problem , you confuse answers with rageposts that you do. Thats why someone who agrees with a SF rework ( no nerf , READ ) for you is a whiner bla bla bla.

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

And on the contrary to all that crap you post there, I don't have a sin. I'm a monk and I often play as 600 with my friends just for the sport of it as part of endgame content. Give me a PM and you can come with me as smite support if you want, no matter what class you are and we'll farm some ectos in UW for fun.

I wasnt the one throwing random BS about e-peen , farmers , highend traders or saying things like "whine" and "jelousy"

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600/smite is getting something too , i dont know what are they going to do but i dont really care , it doesnt affect me , i dont farm ectos or have a monk neither find farming funny but thanks anyway.

Just waiting to see SF rework and tactics + pve Hammer buff , about time .

Gun Pierson · Jan 06, 2010, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

i dont farm ectos...

I rest my case.

byteme! · Jan 06, 2010, 03:14 PM // 15:14

Why don't all you know-it-alls go make a friggin game and see how successful it'll become instead of sitting back and playing arm chair quarterback.

You all sit there reading over some text that Anet had originally wrote, mean while twisting and turning things around. Play on words really. Based on a few paragraphs you're all presumably able to figure out what Anet's intentions were. Ya right!

Go make a game already. All your talents are clearly wasted arguing back and forth over semantics. It's time to put up or shut up.

Fay Vert · Jan 06, 2010, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by byteme!

Why don't all you know-it-alls go make a friggin game and see how successful it'll become instead of sitting back and playing arm chair quarterback.

You all sit there reading over some text that Anet had originally wrote, mean while twisting and turning things around. Play on words really. Based on a few paragraphs you're all presumably able to figure out what Anet's intentions were. Ya right!

Go make a game already. All your talents are clearly wasted arguing back and forth over semantics. It's time to put up or shut up.

Tell you what, we'll all go and write a game while you go off and create your own discussion forums.

byteme! · Jan 06, 2010, 04:20 PM // 16:20

36 pages of redundancy. You must still think we haven't covered everything. Do you see any meaningful discussion left? All I see is individuals passing on what they think they know as facts.

Dzjudz · Jan 06, 2010, 04:48 PM // 16:48

Why is this still being discussed in the first place? There will be a skill balance nerfing SF soon, or there won't be. Let's wait and see?

Teknikaali · Jan 06, 2010, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Why is this still being discussed in the first place? There will be a skill balance nerfing SF soon, or there won't be. Let's wait and see?

Speculation. People want to talk about it as this update will change the game for majority of the pve players. But anyway, I'll personally just wait and see how things goes ^^

Bryant Again · Jan 06, 2010, 05:04 PM // 17:04

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Originally Posted by Teknikaali

Speculation. People want to talk about it as this update will change the game for majority of the pve players. But anyway, I'll personally just wait and see how things goes ^^

It'll change it for those attempting to find endgame in GW, that much is true. Can't say it'll affect the majority, though, or if anything here has ever really affected them.

jazilla · Jan 06, 2010, 05:09 PM // 17:09

You know what I find amusing? Due to the holiday, I bet that the update will come in February. That being said, I also believe that the Test Krewe will have changed their opinion on some things for the meta as well. All of this discussion(which I like) and arguing(which I abhor) will be for naught. Just sayin' yo.

4thVariety · Jan 06, 2010, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Whenever something got nerfed to the ground, some were rejoicing and claiming the nerfed skill required no skill to play anyway. But in over four years nobody was really able to tell me what that "skill" was supposed to be and how it is defined.

(1) Selection of eight skills cannot be skillful play, as this is outsourced to PvX wiki.
(2) Pushing eight button can also not be skill as it is hardly complicated.
(3) Reacting within fractions of a second cannot be called skill in GW, since people can observe and interrupt one monster at best and no single monster requires that amount of active attention. GW is best played with more passive defenses.
(4) Reacting to dynamic events is also not skillful play in GW-PvE. It simply has no place there as elite dungeons are best played predicting the raid down to minute details.

If Gun Pierson says it is all about jealousy and wealth, he is spot on. You never hear the people playing Shadow Form, or Ursan, or Cryway, or Sabway, or Tank&Spank, complain about the game being too boring. It is always the people not playing these builds causing the debate.

byteme! · Jan 06, 2010, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by 4thVariety

Whenever something got nerfed to the ground, some were rejoicing and claiming the nerfed skill required no skill to play anyway. But in over four years nobody was really able to tell me what that "skill" was supposed to be and how it is defined.

(1) Selection of eight skills cannot be skillful play, as this is outsourced to PvX wiki.
(2) Pushing eight button can also not be skill as it is hardly complicated.
(3) Reacting within fractions of a second cannot be called skill in GW, since people can observe and interrupt one monster at best and no single monster requires that amount of active attention. GW is best played with more passive defenses.
(4) Reacting to dynamic events is also not skillful play in GW-PvE. It simply has no place there as elite dungeons are best played predicting the raid down to minute details.

If Gun Pierson says it is all about jealousy and wealth, he is spot on. You never hear the people playing Shadow Form, or Ursan, or Cryway, or Sabway, or Tank&Spank, complain about the game being too boring. It is always the people not playing these builds causing the debate.

I expect the usual rebuttals to such a post. Generic and unoriginal. (not your post but the subsequent replies to follow) It's like a broken record replaying itself over and over.

Btw there is a prominent and rich individual who shares your views.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...postcount=1066

Windf0rce · Jan 06, 2010, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by 4thVariety

Whenever something got nerfed to the ground, some were rejoicing and claiming the nerfed skill required no skill to play anyway. But in over four years nobody was really able to tell me what that "skill" was supposed to be and how it is defined.

(1) Selection of eight skills cannot be skillful play, as this is outsourced to PvX wiki.
(2) Pushing eight button can also not be skill as it is hardly complicated.
(3) Reacting within fractions of a second cannot be called skill in GW, since people can observe and interrupt one monster at best and no single monster requires that amount of active attention. GW is best played with more passive defenses.
(4) Reacting to dynamic events is also not skillful play in GW-PvE. It simply has no place there as elite dungeons are best played predicting the raid down to minute details.

If Gun Pierson says it is all about jealousy and wealth, he is spot on. You never hear the people playing Shadow Form, or Ursan, or Cryway, or Sabway, or Tank&Spank, complain about the game being too boring. It is always the people not playing these builds causing the debate.

1. Remember it is not only about ' picking eight' skills, in the case of PvP you have to pick 64 skills for 8-teams and 32 skills for 4-teams. Knowing how skills synergize, how they work, and how to counter/buildwars the other team does require skill/knowledge about the game. The 8-skill limit doesn't make the game any simpler, the fact that you take a limited amount of skills actually makes some bar-making harder (example: Monks have extremely tight bars that they'd always wish they could take more skills).

2. Do you always play E/x ?

Then yes it is not too complicated but still skillful playful is rewarding. Are you just spamming your skills around, not moving away from Rangers and Mesmers range, eating DShots, Powerblocks, PDs? Playing Mesmer is a prime example of skill required, knowing when to play defensively or offensively is a true demonstration of skill. Tactical skills such as Diversion and Shame do reward player ability and awareness.

3. Interrupts can be done by any people with good reflexes and good ping, yes, but *important interrupts* are a different matter. It's not about being able to reflex interrupting 3/4 spells at will, it's about knowing when, who and what to interrupt.

4. Yeah I won't comment on PvE. It takes planning and that's all, once your plan is set, you don't need to be creative and outsmart/surprise/ambush the AI like you often need to do with players.